leon panetta personally approved the use of special equipment that apparently could be used like, say, for detecting ieds overseas. it was allowed to be used here. there were soldiers here. soldiers only used to operate the equipment, not in any way to go in with law enforcement. they don't have that power. >> how unusual is that, martin, that leon panetta of the defense department, that's the highest level of the american military system, would be involved in this? >> yeah, that's extremely unusual, you're right, erin. there were also reports of unmanned surveillance, drones, that have been used. that hasn't been concerned. but it gives you a sense there was from the highest levels a very strong commitment and feeling of sympathy for the little boy and trying to get it resolved in a way where he was safe and that's what happened. >> martin savidge, thank you very much. everyone i know has been talking about the little boy and what it was like for him down in the darkness in that bunker. i want to bring in a psychiatrist and director of children's services for l.a. county hospitals, a